Vaccines: a gentle conversation!

Vaccines: a gentle conversation turned real.

Are you ready to see if you are prepared enough to make a good decision regarding vaccines? Here is an opportunity to move past the emotion and see honestly where we are. I ask you to put down your “anti” or “pro” hat and just talk facts. Feel free to add any questions or any resources. It is time to come together and teach each other!

I have to say I am a little surprised by how low below the belt both sides of the “measles debate” is getting. I am also saddened by this “debate” for another very big reason: the inability to critically think beyond what is fed into you. Today, we call ourselves conscious beings, with the freedoms to make choices, but it seems like many are ready to give up these freedoms because they are too emotionally charged in being right. We are very much looking to displace anger and find blame, which is exactly what the man behind the curtain wants. It seems to me there are so many people ready to stand up and “fight” against the non-vaccinated or vaccinated children with out having more then a few blogs or opinion based articles to support their charge.

When we debate we get emotionally charged and your body ignites with all kinds of chemicals to prepare for a fight. You release intense levels of adrenaline; your ability to see things clearly or reason is lost. You lose the ability to listen to all sides, especially those that have an angle of information that we need to understand, because you are preparing your next attack.

So this is when I call for a truce and just ask both sides to look to the following questions. If you can answer them truthfully without looking up the answers then share your view with others so we can come together, isn’t our country already divided enough? When I hear words like “mandatory”, I just can’t believe that anyone would open that door, which is how I know we are loosing our way. This country is suppose to be about freedoms, are you so quick to give these “freedoms” away to pharmaceutical companies?

Since it seems that fear of death is causing this great debate, lets start there:

  1. What is the leading cause of death in the U.S?

Right away we can see that we are missing the mark on this debate. We should really be talking about the food pyramid and chemicals by Monsanto. We should be addressing why school lunches consider ketchup a vegetable, and how we are paving the way for the sickest country in the developed world. However, for the point of this gentle conversation we will move forward.

  1. What is the “germ theory?” Do you understand the difference between a vaccine and the “natural virus”? What is the difference between how your body responds to a virus vs. when it is injected directly into your body?
  2. When vaccines entered the scene, were (their natural counter part) “the natural virus” already mutating?
  3. Is it important for you to get sick? Does this impact human evolution?
  4. What are the ingredients in the MMR? What ingredients have not been studied that are in the MMR?
  5. Have you ever read a Package Insert from the MMR?
  6. What is “shedding” a live virus?
  7. Is there live virus in the MMR? Do you know the pharmaceutical company that produces and manufactures the MMR? How much have they earned and how much have they paid in vaccine injury?
  8. Have you spoken with a parent that believed in vaccines until their child was injured?
  9. Do you know the dosing schedule difference from 1988 and the schedule 2014? Has it changed and why?
  10. Have you ever heard of Thalidomide? Do you think there are other meds that may share a similar story?
  11. Do you know how many deaths occur from pharmaceutical drugs being taken as prescribed each year?
  12. Have you ever asked your doctor where he/she has gotten information about vaccines (after all they are human and this information isn’t deposited into their DNA)?
  13. Are you aware how pharmaceutical companies grow illness through marketing campaigns? How many countries allow pharmaceutical companies to market direct to consumer? (T.V Ads?)



  1. This set of questions violates your premise of an open debate without assumptions. Noting the leading cause of death is completely irrelevant, since there are many causes of death, and they all have to be addressed with individual solutions. GMOs and our bad diet have nothing directly to do with fighting communicable viral diseases. You can catch measles no matter what your BMI is if you are unvaccinated, unable to be vaccinated, or haven’t had the disease before.

    There isn’t any difference in how your body responds to a virus entering your system, whether it’s an injected “dead” one or the live, natural form. The difference is that if you get enough of the natural virus, it can overwhelm your immune system (in some cases) before you have time to manufacture antibodies to fight it.

    Viruses always mutate. The question is how much and how fast. Antibodies can be a fairly close match that is imperfect, and still provide some protection against manifesting a disease. It’s never all or nothing. Influenza strains mutate fast, so each year scientists have to guess (based on previous documented variations), how the virus will change. Some guesses are better some years. Every year’s flu vaccines vary the formula slightly. Other disease pathogens like the viruses causing measles and pertussis mutate gradually by comparison. The same vaccine formula will be effective for many decades.

    There’s no benefit to getting sick from any disease that has the capacity to kill you. The evolutionary impact is that people who die can’t reproduce, so their specific gene heritage gets removed.

    All ingredients in the MMR have been thoroughly studied. That’s why there are different forms of the vaccine for different kinds of patients. There are no “package inserts” with vaccines. There are VISs (vaccine information statements), standardized by the CDC, that must be provided to every patient getting an immunization. By law the patient is compelled to read and sign that they understand. In any competent clinic, the providers additionally urge patients to ask questions about any part of the info they don’t understand. Not every patient speaks English, so VISs in many other languages are available for download. Providers take informed consent very, very seriously. If you ever administer a medicine against a patient’s will it legally constitutes assault.

    “Shedding” is a non-scientific term for secondary transmission. if a vaccine is based on a ‘live” virus, the patient can transmit live virus back out through bodily fluids and feces. In extremely rare cases, it can infect a person involved in intimate care. The only vaccine with a significant number of secondary cases has been the oral polio vaccine, which is why we don’t use it in this country anymore. There has never been a single case of secondary transmission recorded linked to the MMR shot, which does contain a weakened live virus. Measles RNA is detectable in the urine of MMR vaccinees sometime between 1-14 days.

    Merck makes the current MMR shot. It’s basically a money-loser, as are all vaccines. The FDA uses leverage against drug manufacturers desires to have new, profitable drugs approved to insure they keep making sufficient vaccine supply. Rather than continue this already very long comment, here’s a link explaining the vaccine injury compensation program. Many thousands claim injury. 60% of these cases are dismissed outright. There’s been exactly one autism-related claim compensated. Probably had an excellent lawyer.

    I’ve never spoken with a parent that believed in vaccines prior to injury that changed their mind about them. I have however had the heartbreaking task of assisting when our doctor sent kids and seniors to hospital because they had gotten serious diseases easily preventable by vaccine. We’ve had patients die because they were unvaccinated.

    I don’t know why the vaccine schedule changed because I wasn’t working in health care in 1988. A West German company invented Thalidomide in the 1950s and it was tragically given to pregnant women to alleviate morning sickness, causing severe limb malformation in thousands of infants. It has been returned to medical use for multiple myeloma and to help with some complications of leprosy.

    Many drugs have been withdrawn over the years for side effects. There’s really no similar story to Thalidomide in terms of the number of patients harmed. Deaths from adverse reactions to medications used correctly are often unavoidable, because they happen when patients are already severely weakened by disease, and doctors try a “hail Mary pass” in hopes of reversing the decline. Usually these patients are already taking multiple medications, and predicting drug interaction in patients who are already near death is more difficult. The number of deaths is much, much smaller than the number of people dying from the abuse and/or overdose of prescription drugs.


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